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I have a thin diary here.  It is not a new story but I just became aware of it.  It doesn't look like it's been previously diaried here.

If you are in need of a kidney or liver transplant they are easy to come by in China.  They will find you a match in as little as seven days.  Come on back to Canada and get as good of follow-up care as anyone, no questions asked, it appears.  Cost in China - rising but still kinda affordable.  Still under $100,000 US for a liver.

A BBC journalist investigating the allegations visited a hospital in Tianjin city last year saying he needed a liver transplant for a relative.

The journalist was told that a suitable liver could be provided within three weeks because a high number of executions was arranged before the October 1 National Day celebration.

The hospital he visited performed about 600 liver transplants in 2005, with each liver costing foreign recipients US$70,000 plus US$20,000 for the surgeon's services.

Oh, yes, the mention about executions.  Well, yeah, the organs come from prisoners, political prisoners, often members of the Falun Gong movement.  ( Note: the link is to the Wikipedia page.  There is some dispute about the contents of the article )  They are a) alive at the time of the harvesting or b) freshly executed.  Indications are that the timing of the executions coincide with the need for a kidney that matches a recipient.  If you are a prisoner and no one comes in for a organ that you are a good match for, you get to live a little longer.

Turns out this issue was investigated by David Kilgour(Wiki).  He was a Conservative MP for an Edmonton riding who became a Liberal and then sat as an independent .  He did not run in the last election.  As a side note, he does not support gay marriage.  He is wrong on that but has done valuable work in investigating organ harvesting.

His report, co-authored with  David Matas, is the cited in most news stories about organ harvesting in China.

The report is available here and here.

Highlights, we have highlights.


It is alleged that Falun Gong practitioners are victims of live organ harvesting throughout China.  The allegation is that organ harvesting is inflicted on unwilling Falun Gong practitioners at a wide variety of locations, pursuant to a systematic policy, in large numbers.

Organ harvesting is a step in organ transplants.  The purpose of organ harvesting is to provide organs for transplants.  Transplants do not necessarily have to take place in the same place as the location of the organ harvesting. The two locations are often different; organs harvested in one place are shipped to another place for transplanting.

The allegation is further that the organs are harvested from the practitioners while they are still alive. The practitioners are killed in the course of the organ harvesting operations or immediately thereafter.  These operations are a form of murder.  

Finally, we are told that the practitioners killed in this way are then cremated.  There is no corpse left to examine to identify as the source of an organ transplant.

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According to cardiovascular doctor Hu Weimin, the state funding for the hospital where he works is not enough to even cover staff salaries for one month. He stated: "Under the current system, hospitals have to chase profit to survive."  Human Rights in China reports: "Rural hospitals [have had] to invent ways to make money to generate sufficient revenue".[6]

The sale of organs became for hospitals a source of funding, a way to keep their doors open, and a means by which other health services could be provided to the community.

One could see how this dire need for funds might lead first to a rationalization that harvesting organs from prisoners who would be executed anyways was acceptable and second to a desire not to question too closely whether the donors wheeled in by the authorities really were prisoners sentenced to death.
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The presence of a large bank of living kidney-liver "donors" must be the only way China's transplant centres can assure such short waits to customers.  The astonishingly short waiting times advertised for perfectly-matched organs would suggest the existence of a large bank of live prospective 'donors'.

This is the article that ran is my paper on Friday.

The BBC had a story about a Chinese doctor who makes accusations and China's response.  The article is from back in June 2001.

He said prisoners selected to be donors were tested before execution for suitability and then shot in the back of the head so as not to damage their heart, liver, kidneys or skin.
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The US Congress is considering punitive action against China in light of the reports.

Republican representative Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, from Florida, has introduced a bill to ban Chinese doctors from receiving transplant training in the US.

I haven't found evidence of a bill being introduced and I don't know what became of this sub-committee report ( pdf format ).

I know that the story is a bit old and the Chinese government says it has addressed the practice.  I don't believe that spin.

China has a large trading relationship with the rest of the world.  Surely some pressure can be brought to bear on them.  Canada shouldn't be selling energy to the Chinese.  I shouldn't be buying 'made in China' goods.

If you knew there was a Holocaust going on what would you do ?

Here's a golden oldie - Conserve Water / Shower with a friend

by willy be frantic on 05/20/2007 04:47:19 AM EST

Some days I totally hate this world.

Some days I wonder how I could have ever been so irresponsible as to bring another life into this insanity.

Some days it looks like the good people don't have a hope in hell of winning.

We learn of such things as this, then it drops of the radar when something more horrific comes to our attention. (name your poison)

Then we find out it still goes on.

Of course, it still goes on.

This life can be very, very sick and I will never, never get used to that.

I need something strong to distract my mind.

by Archer on 05/22/2007 10:12:55 PM EST

The Senators are in the Stanley Cup final.  Harper, in Afghanistan, gave a Senators baby jumper to President Hamid Karzai for his new child.  There was a clip on the news where Harper informed Karzai that these Senators were hard working hockey players, or something like that.

I don't care for Harper - just too .... smarmy for my taste.

Merriam-Webster definition # 2 - smarmy "of low sleazy taste or quality"

Here's a golden oldie - Conserve Water / Shower with a friend

by willy be frantic on 05/22/2007 10:53:56 PM EST

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...quote wrong.

Here's an article detailing the incident.

At the same time, Harper also managed to transform what should have been a touchy-feely moment - presenting Afghan President Hamid Karzai with a tiny Ottawa Senators' jersey for his newborn son - into a partisan attack on one of his preferred political targets, the unelected Senate, which he is keen to reform into an elected body.

"These are not members of our upper house," Harper explained as he presented the red Senators jersey for Karzai's first child, a four-month-old boy. "These are admired hockey players."

Here's a golden oldie - Conserve Water / Shower with a friend

by willy be frantic on 05/24/2007 12:55:17 AM EST

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How MATURE.  

I'll be the first to admit that I've been acting like a childish git lately, but I'm not a Prime Minister meeting with another country's leader.  

Canadian Republicans Suck

by prole on 05/24/2007 12:59:47 AM EST

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too petulant for hsi own good. Reminds me of the kid that would go crying to Mommy because the other kids were sooooooooo mean to him.

Why do I have the overwhelming feeling that Baby Dub spent a lot of time in high school stuffed in a locker?

The Grasshopper Lies Heavy

by Frank Frink on 05/28/2007 07:37:00 PM EST

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Definately...

Explains soooooooooooooooo much

I support the separation of Church and Hate....

by Pale on 05/28/2007 09:27:29 PM EST

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what a wonderful most favored nation and trading partner!  With friends like these...

I've heard of this before.  Falun Gong has (or had - I think they were made to leave)a small hut type thing in front of the Chinese embassy in Vancouver, with a protester always sitting in meditative vigil.  Maybe FF can tell us if they're still there.  

OT - If you ever want to rile up my mother, mention Larry Hagman's liver transplant.  She will fly right off the handle.  

Canadian Republicans Suck

by prole on 05/20/2007 11:11:14 AM EST

in front of the Chinese Consulate (roughly at the corner of Granville St. & W. 16th Ave, the entrance to the fabulously wealthy Shaughnessy neighbourhood) by City Hall. It's been almost a full year now since Mayor Eeyore Sullivan pronounced that he would apply a little used city bylaw on the protestors.

From CBC - June 9, 2006

The mayor said the group has until June 19 to take down the structures, as they contravene city bylaws. If they're not removed, the city will move in.

"I have expressed to the Falun Gong that I respect their issues with human rights, but I have told them that I expect them to adhere to the bylaws the way any other citizens would."

Epoch Times (from June 10, 2006) has an image as well.

For almost five years, the protest has continued without application of the bylaw. But in May, Vancouver City Engineer Tom Timm informed the group that the display outside the Consulate violates a city bylaw. The mayor has ordered that all structures must come down by June 16.

At a press conference held by the city on Thursday, when asked why something that had been in place for so long has suddenly become unacceptable, Sullivan said, that after five years, it was "time." He added that if Canada claims to be "a nation that lives by the rule of law" then bylaws have to be enforced.

Calling this a "highly unsatisfactory answer," Micheal Vonn, Policy Director with the B.C. Civil Liberties Association says that the issue boils down to a question of freedom of expression as guaranteed by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Vonn says if this freedom is restricted it must be for some compelling reason, one that is permissible in a free and democratic society.

A lot to do with pressure from China and likely also something to do with 2010 from what I understand.

But that would be our current mayor - 'the guy in the chair' - for you. He's a good obedient little authoritarian. Former Mayor (and current federal Senator) Da Vinci Larry Campbell had a (surprise, surprise) different view.

Former Mayor Larry Campbell told the Vancouver Sun that even though he was approached by the consulate on the issue while he was in office, he saw no reason to act, although he doesn't necessarily agree with the protest.

"I agree it is an infraction of the bylaw, but is this the best use of our police resources? There's bylaws being broken in this city every day."

The Falun Gong folks have asked to have their day in court and in the meantime the rain shelter and banners are still up. The latest word I have on it is from a month ago, again from Epoch Times.

Recent media reports suggesting Falun Gong practitioners had lost the right to a trial over the City of Vancouver's order that they remove signs and a shelter from outside the Chinese consulate are misleading, says the group's lawyer.

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the Court of Appeal has not determined in any way that Falun Gong will not be entitled to a trial to defend their right to maintain their round-the-clock vigil in front of the consulate on Granville Street.

The Court essentially agreed with the lower court that the group's attempt to seek a trial at this time was premature, and said this is a question that has to be taken up with the trial court after filing a formal response and affidavits demonstrating that a trial is appropriate.

"It does not preclude our practitioners from still seeking to have a full trial instead of the summary-type process the City wishes to use to remove our vigil," says Sue Zhang, spokesperson for the Falun Dafa Association of Canada.

Short version - everything's back to square one.

The Grasshopper Lies Heavy

by Frank Frink on 05/28/2007 07:32:18 PM EST

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'by City Hall' from first sentence - fragment left over from a sentence edited out.

The Grasshopper Lies Heavy

by Frank Frink on 05/28/2007 07:39:15 PM EST

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An indication that it is money indeed that makes the world go round.  I don't know why this story seems new to me.  It has been in the news before and I seem to remember the sit-in \ sleep-in \ hut-in in Vancouver.

I am assuming that Hagman bought a spot close to the head of the transplant line.  Or is the fact that he was a notorious drunk and so ruined a perfectly good liver the thing that sets your mother off ?

Here's a golden oldie - Conserve Water / Shower with a friend

by willy be frantic on 05/20/2007 11:50:32 AM EST

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I am assuming that Hagman bought a spot close to the head of the transplant line.  Or is the fact that he was a notorious drunk and so ruined a perfectly good liver the thing that sets your mother off ?

Mostly the drinking thing, though.  I don't want to say he bought himself a place in line because I have no link to prove it.  I remember her being furious that someone could drink themselves into organ failure and then get a new organ, when someone who needs one through no fault of their own could die waiting for one.  She didn't think he deserved a new liver.  

Canadian Republicans Suck

by prole on 05/20/2007 12:13:57 PM EST

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I think it was around 10 years ago I first read in The Nation a story about this. The writer (I forget who) interviewed a Western doctor who was in China to help train transplant surgeons. He was given a scheduled date, and expressed surprise that they could be so confident. It was explained they would schedule an execution then.

BTW, I wouldn't be too sure that the execution would be of a political prisoner. Amnesty International frequently reports that China is responsible for over 80% of executions in the world, because they use the death penalty so broadly. It could be a political prisoner or Falun Gong member they kill, or it could be a thief, murderer, wildlife poacher, whatever.

by MGK on 05/22/2007 11:49:04 AM EST

...a report from Amnesty International.  It's amazing the kind of things that happen in this world.

I did know, when writing the diary, that not all prisoners who are executed and have their organs harvested are political prisoners.  I didn't make that clear in my writing.  Thanks for catching that.

There was some indication in the stories I looked over for the diary that prisoners had organs and corneas harvested while still alive.  They were then left to die.  I couldn't find confirmation of that.  If true it raises the level of barbarity of the process.  It would be more expedient from a medical standpoint.  I get the sense that the prisoners, who are scheduled to be executed anyway, are seen as little more than a 'job' to be done and have only value as a resource.  For  doctor to remove an organ from a living person and then euthanize the person would fly in the face of medical ethics anywhere.  'Course that kind of thing is not without precedence by certain doctors in history.

Here's a golden oldie - Conserve Water / Shower with a friend

by willy be frantic on 05/22/2007 09:38:06 PM EST

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Although its really true about China, this is what comes to my mind....The Urban legends behind the victim in the bathtub of ice...

Snopes

Scroll down, there was a real life instance in 1998.....

I support the separation of Church and Hate....

by Pale on 05/22/2007 12:27:45 PM EST

I had heard the' urban legend ' and figured it was a myth.  I assumed the story of people selling their organs was likely true.  Just what role ' informed consent ' plays in the game is a bit shadowy.

Here's a golden oldie - Conserve Water / Shower with a friend

by willy be frantic on 05/22/2007 09:41:16 PM EST

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